Do you mess w/ scope between distances?

[fatelvis]

When shooting UAS for bigbore, do you adjust your scopes knobs between the different target ranges, or do you use holdover/holdunder?

[highstandard40]

I change the scope for each distance small bore and big bore. The two most frequently used scopes are the elite 3200 2-6X and the leupold 2.5-8X. Both have very repeatable adjustments.

[KnifeHandler]

That's why they're there.:rofl: Sorry, I couldn't help myself. I think you'd want to have the cross hairs on center of target. Like with open sights, you'll need to record the clicks for each distance. Hope this helps. I'm sure others will chime in.

[BrettnAZ]

I bought Leupold scopes just for the purpose. +- 0 on pigs +8 on turkeys +12 on rams. That is way easier than guessing.

Brett

[highstandard40]

Additionaly, having exact point of impact settings for each distance would help you get on target for a shootoff in case of a tie. Also, if you decide to shoot half scale you will need the settings for each distance.

[BurmKiller]

Also, if you use a Ken Light hi-rise mount there are some drastic scope adjustments between yard lines...

[Smokin7mm]

I always adjust the scope for each distance, Just like open sights. For most your eyes cannot tell the difference between 2 inches & 4 inches at 200 meters. Your scope and open sights can.
Bret

[35isit]

Everyone abobove me said what I was going to. I find where I can hold best on each target and adjust from there. I can't hold center of mass. It has never worked for me. Top of leg of each animal works best.

[marshall623]

I will be adjusting between animals the season, holding under and over on , you may may get by with it on full size targets but trying it on 1/2 scale will make you talk to your self !!

[highstandard40]

If you really want to try an excercise in frustration, try hold over and under on smallbore fifth scale. You will quickly decide to adjust for each distance.

[armorpl8]

I use POA and leave the knobs alone, it is just easier for me with no scary numbers to remember or find were absent minded evil twin wrote em down. I use this method even for half size.....but that has nothing to do with why I talk to myself.

[marshall623]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who talks to myself- the more I miss the worse it gets. :yell:
Just kidding I have alot of fun shooting I'm going change scope settings . if it dont work I'll just go back

[highstandard40]

Armorpl8 and get away with not changing his settings between distances with that laser load he's using. :)

[Smokin7mm]

I use POA and leave the knobs alone, it is just easier for me with no scary numbers to remember or find were absent minded evil twin wrote em down. I use this method even for half size.....but that has nothing to do with why I talk to myself.
I think everybody talks to themself, especially when you miss a target. I keep a record book of every entry, date, conditions. range, gun, load, sight settings. As long as I have it on the right page I am good to go.
Bret

[fatelvis]

The reason I originally asked this question, is that I haven't been messing with the knobs for Big Bore. While shooting my 7BR in my XP, I just hold on the belly of the Chickens & Pigs, right on for Turkeys, and on the back of the Rams. But it occured to me that if a shootoff is needed, I'd be screwed! Especially if I was shooting against one of you who does adjust thier turrets, permitting more pinpoint accuracy.

[highstandard40]

The reason I originally asked this question, is that I haven't been messing with the knobs for Big Bore. While shooting my 7BR in my XP, I just hold on the belly of the Chickens & Pigs, right on for Turkeys, and on the back of the Rams. But it occured to me that if a shootoff is needed, I'd be screwed! Especially if I was shooting against one of you who does adjust thier turrets, permitting more pinpoint accuracy.

Exactly!

[fatelvis]

I know it may be silly, but I really don't have alot of confidance in the repeatability of the Bushnell 3200 Elite's turrets/internals, to start cranking on them repeatedly. Are these worries unfounded? I'm normally use Leupold and Nightforce, but Leupold didn't have enough eye relief for my modified Dead Frog position.

[highstandard40]

I've got an Elite 3200 2-6X on my High Standard which also wears a 14 3/8" Volquartsen barrel. I use this for UAS and UASFS. I have my turret marked with paint dots for each distance and have been changing that knob for each distance for several years now. It always tracks true. Same scope on my Big Bore UAS gun. Same results. The Elite 3200 is very reliable.

[BurmKiller]

I know it may be silly, but I really don't have alot of confidance in the repeatability of the Bushnell 3200 Elite's turrets/internals, to start cranking on them repeatedly. Are these worries unfounded? I'm normally use Leupold and Nightforce, but Leupold didn't have enough eye relief for my modified Dead Frog position.

I have also found that the higher end scopes do not have the extended eye relief. Those that have seen me shoot know that all my scopes are Swarovski. My Nightforce is WAY too heavy to make weight (and at 42x is a bit overkill). The Bushnell is what, 25%-40% of the price of these scopes and still 30% less than Leupold. Have you shot a box test with the Bushnell yet to determine if the scope is correctly tracking back? This can either prove it has issues or can give you piece of mind that it doesn't. Honestly the shooters I know that have used a Bushnell scope are very pleased with them. Expect for one particular Region 2 shooter that believes BSA is the answer to everything. :drag:<-DGT

[fatelvis]

I have not tried the box test, but after hearing good from you two, it gives me a little more faith in thier internals. In the past, I wouldn't consider buying a Bushnell of any kind, it was Leupolds all the way, even on my rimfires. I guess I never gave them a chance. Time for them to show what they're made of!!

[BurmKiller]

Interestingly the guys at 6mmbr.com have not had nice things to say about the tracking abilities of Leupolds. I have never personally had an issue, but search their site. Granted, they may be carparing to March scopes...at 5x the price.

[19Turkeys]

I have 3 Leupolds and none have tracking problems. Plus, I have found their customer service & custom shop work to be excellent.

Steve W.

[highstandard40]

fatelvis, if it make you feel any better, the Elite line of Bushnell is what used to be "Bausch & Lomb".

[fatelvis]

That does make me feel a little warmer and fuzzier inside, thanks!

[BurmKiller]

I agree with Steve on their custom shop work. Just received a custom 3x9 with a fade paint job and other specifics for a 10/22 project and am very happy with it.

[armorpl8]

I was not being totally honest. I shot UAS smallbore with a 6-24 Trashco for a couple matches with lackluster results from the turrets. I then mounted my 3.5x10 Leupy Tactical and shot my first 40x40 turning the turrets. I trust Leupold and have heard great things about Burris but never owned one. Charlie eluded to one of the secrets of POA, your cartridge must be a laser. Simply put if your cartridge doesn't have a PBR(point blank range not pabst blue ribbon) somewhere in the 200yd range or better then you could run into a little trouble. THe shootoffs are not an issue your POA is predicated on a ram line zero and hands off the turrets during the match after a final sighter at the ram. THEORETICALLY when your 40x40 is in hand and you face the shootoffs your gun should be dead on at the ram line. BUT if you aint shootin a laser all this is a moot point and you will HAVE to find a scope you can trust I will give you another hint it ain't Barska.

[fatelvis]

I consider my 7BR pretty flat shooting (140 grn BTSP @ 2050 fps), what kind of cartridge is considered "Lazerlike"?

[highstandard40]

I consider my 7BR pretty flat shooting (140 grn BTSP @ 2050 fps), what kind of cartridge is considered "Lazerlike"?

Read Joe's post above (armorpl8) where he explains point blank range. In other words, if it is not flat enough to hit every target at every distance without holding over or under, then you need to adjust for each distance. I shot with some guys back in the 80s who tried this approach. They were redlining loads and damaging targets in their attempt. Trust me on this. Set that Elite for each distance and go for it. If the particular scope you have does not track, send it in for repairs or replace it. I have four of them on everything from a 22LR to a heavy loaded 35 Rem. They all track perfectly.

[fatelvis]

Will do, I'll go practice as soon as the snow drifts melt, and mark my turrets w/ paint dots. (I like that idea! ) Thanks-

[RockinHRacin]

Count me as a third happy Bushnell customer... I have a 3200 Trophy on my Charger (2x6 LER) and LOVE IT. I crank it down every match and then back up to chickens... I was called an "iron sights shooter" at the last match when Ron Dixon saw me do that... LOL I guess I really need to mark the turret...

[armorpl8]

what kind of cartridge is considered "Lazerlike"?
6BR, .223,.221FB, probly 6TCU. Basically anything that will hit 2350-2400fps with a heavy for caliber bullet.

[fatelvis]

Armour, will those cause target damage?

[highstandard40]

The calibers Armorp8 listed and some others can and have damaged targets, mostly the chicken which is the closest. IHMSA mandates hardened steel targets for Big Bore but not all steel is created equal. Some T1 plate has a brinell of only about 320 and can be damaged by the fast steppers. At Tusco a few years back some hotrod there broke several chickens. If you are on target setter duty at several ranges I've been to or take the time to help set up or tear down the range for a match, you will see a lot of damaged targets. I've heard the 2400fps figure thrown around but I have seen targets damaged with less velocity than that. A 150 gr 7mm bullet at 1800fps will take every target you hit.

[BillOregon]

Wish I had spent a few more bucks for the Elite, after reading this thread. Have the Trophy for the 6 TCU.

[highstandard40]

Wish I had spent a few more bucks for the Elite, after reading this thread. Have the Trophy for the 6 TCU.

Another valuable trait of the Elite vs the Trophy. The eye relief stays the same throughout the power range. 2x or 6X it stays the same.

[IHMSA80x80]

I use both the Leupold 2.5-8x and Bushnell/B&L Elite 3200/3000 2-6 scopes on my guns. Elevation is dialed in for each targets, written down the same as iron sights and I crank the turrets all day. Since UAS became legitimate, I have not had any scope tracking failures with these.

Here's a TIP for increasing eye relief on any scope. Loosen the eyepiece focusing ring and crank the bell all the way IN towards the muzzle of the gun as far as it will go, then lock down again. You will gain more eye relief and it may allow you to get the full field of view at your highest magnifications. DO IT! :thank_you2:

[xp100]

In BB scoped, I shoot dead on at 200 meters. I hold half way up the leg of the turkeys, same with pigs, and hold at the bottom of the chicken leg. I don't like changing scopes. There is no zero and if you mess up on the number of clicks, etc, it can be a real pain finding your settings again. In open sights, I could always bottom out the rear sight and count the correct number of clicks up.
In SB scoped, I do make one ajustment. Too much bullet drop from chickens to rams. I have one setting for center rams and the other setting for center pigs. I hold on the top of the back on turkeys and low body on chickens with the pig setting. I have been doing this since scopes became a separate IHMSA class.

[armorpl8]

In BB scoped, I shoot dead on at 200 meters. I hold half way up the leg of the turkeys, same with pigs, and hold at the bottom of the chicken leg. I don't like changing scopes. There is no zero and if you mess up on the number of clicks, etc, it can be a real pain finding your settings again. In open sights, I could always bottom out the rear sight and count the correct number of clicks up.
In SB scoped, I do make one ajustment. Too much bullet drop from chickens to rams. I have one setting for center rams and the other setting for center pigs. I hold on the top of the back on turkeys and low body on chickens with the pig setting. I have been doing this since scopes became a separate IHMSA class.

Ditto on BB

[fatelvis]

In BB scoped, I shoot dead on at 200 meters. I hold half way up the leg of the turkeys, same with pigs, and hold at the bottom of the chicken leg.
What cartridge are you guys using these holds on?

[Rodent]

I have a Trophy on my .308 Savage Striker and I hold over and do not touch the elevation. I also got my first 40 with it. But, The reason that I do that is because I do not trust the repeatability if that scope. For my new 7br XP, I am mounting a 3200 Elite just so I CAN adjust for each distance.

[armorpl8]

What cartridge are you guys using these holds on?

Anything that has a point blank range of around 218yds or above. My ols Seirra manual has a thourough ballistic chart for each bullet and FPS and also lists the PBR of the particular velocity and bullet combo. Tell me what you are shooting and what bullet and velocity and I can tell you if it will work. As I already said though 6BR,223rem,221FB,6mmtcu, and probly a few others I can't come up with on top of my head. I know....target damage. There are lots of loads that have a suitable PBR that don't damage targets.

[ubetcha]

Do the scopes that are recommended here have target turrents? I have a Tasco Pro-class 4x30 on my T/C 14"30-30 thats been on for along time.I have not had a tracking problem that I know of.I would like to get another scope for SB,but was not sure what to get.I don't see any out there with target turrents anymore

[19Turkeys]

Leupold will add target knobs to their 2.5x8. That's the finest handgun scope out there. For Small Bore, I'd also have them knock the parallax down to 60 yards. It is factory set to 90. The parallax adjustment in only $15.

Steve W.

[fatelvis]

Here's a TIP for increasing eye relief on any scope. Loosen the eyepiece focusing ring and crank the bell all the way IN towards the muzzle of the gun as far as it will go, then lock down again. You will gain more eye relief and it may allow you to get the full field of view at your highest magnifications. DO IT! :thank_you2: Thanks 80X80, I tried that and it sure works!